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CCW training with "University Defenders"

News, Guns, School ·Sunday November 15, 2009 @ 17:07 EST (link)

Some UW students were being robbed around the University District area, both in their residences and on the street, and Stanley Luong and a few others had decided to carry concealed weapons to prevent being robbed again (article from The Daily). I don't blame him in the least. Where he got into trouble was starting a Facebook group with "vigilante" in the title and description, talking about going after or attempting to decoy potential robbers; it was deleted by Facebook and later reappeared with the less provocative title University District Defenders. Richard Walker, an NRA-certified instructor with his own firearms training company, Black Dawg Partners, offered the group a free CCW (concealed carry weapon) training class, and Champion Arms in Kent donated classroom time. I decided to attend to meet the group and see what the training was like. The range isn't hard to find, and it's not that far away: I-405S to WA-167S, get off on E. Valley Hwy., and follow it to 18801: about 30 minutes, but surely double that in traffic. I got there exactly at the start time, 1230, but most people were late. There were six UW students and another interested party, and two trainers (Richard and David).

Richard is extremely well qualified and was friendly and a good teacher, making his points clearly and without talking down to anyone. I confess I had my doubts about him before we met—I was worried that he would encourage the group in their early "vigilante" ideas, or try a hard sell of more advanced courses (this class was free—"free" always makes me suspicious), or would put the group down unnecessarily. None of those happened: he came across as serious and knowledgeable and any "vigilante" ideas melted away as he went over firearms safety, best practices, local laws, and some court cases. The rest of the group went down to the range afterward, but the class took four hours, longer than I'd expected (and told Honey), so I left right after it finished and got home at around 1700.

This is the message Stanley Luong sent to the Facebook group after the event:
Thanks to everyone who showed up and helped out. The day began at 12:30pm with Richard teaching safety guidelines and handling techniques. We had a break to give an interview with KIRO 7 and the Seattle Times. After that, we continued our meeting with Richard leading the discussion on legal issues, ramifications, and several case studies of self-defense scenarios. Overall, yesterday was a great forum in raising our awareness of gun rights and safety, and ended with us shooting at the range. Special thanks to Black Dawg for their pro-bono training and Champion Arms in Kent for hosting us.

Next time, we will try to have an event closer to campus. If we had one on campus, there would definitely be a large turnout but we would all have to go unarmed because of the regulations there.

This is what I sent to msgun Monday:
I attended—free training, not too far way (~30 mins), what's not to like?, plus I wanted to meet some of the people in the group.

First, the group has indeed toned down. There was some hare-brained scheme proposed in the Facebook group to cruise around with a "decoy" wearing an iPod and several other shadowy figures with nonlethal weapons ready to pounce, so I did my best to shoot that down (no pun intended) and point out its many flaws (you're not the police, you're not trained, if you're in fear of grave bodily injury you don't want to bring anything less than deadly force, you could be hurt/killed, you could hurt someone else, jail, civil court costs, even with a "good shoot", etc.). The original poster agreed that his was a foolish idea.

Second, this training outfit looked legit—Rick Walker (http://www.blackdawgpartners.com - not the most pro site in the world though) is a class act and knows his stuff, ex-military (weapons expert), certified as instructor by several reputable groups, etc. He teaches various courses including the Utah permit course. He went over some basics of weapons and CCW with a PowerPoint deck in a classroom at Champion Arms (they offered the room free)—starting from Cooper's 4 rules, then things like where you may or may not carry, Castle doctrine, reacting to scenarios—run if you can, call 911 if you're not in immediate danger; importance of practice; all stuff I've seen but nice to have it all in one place. He went over some cases, what people did, what they were convicted of, and their civil costs. I can reproduce the quiz he passed out before the class and discussed if people want. I believe it was sufficiently sobering to cause the "Defenders" to change their course, which is great: more armed good guys on the streets that know the law and practice with their particular defense weapon is a good thing.

I also talked to him about doing training for a Microsoft group; he said he could do something similar (a basic CCW class) for just cost of gas and materials; perhaps if we were interested he could give us a rate on doing a Utah permit course or something else for those interested.

The session Sunday got the group some better coverage; the image now should be of a group of serious people armed and able to protect themselves and others from grave bodily harm.

DVDs finished: Butterfly Effect: Revelation, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.